1 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:02,180 what's up saucer heads this is Ryan 2 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:03,570 Sprague from the summer in the skies 3 00:00:08,810 --> 00:00:05,970 podcast and I have an exclusive offer 4 00:00:11,570 --> 00:00:08,820 for you to come join me at alien con Los 5 00:00:14,089 --> 00:00:11,580 Angeles aileen con brings together UFO 6 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:14,099 researchers the stars of ancient aliens 7 00:00:18,470 --> 00:00:16,770 and science fiction fan favorites but 8 00:00:21,230 --> 00:00:18,480 most importantly it brings us all 9 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:21,240 together as like-minded people to talk 10 00:00:25,490 --> 00:00:23,730 about these topics I'll be giving 11 00:00:27,380 --> 00:00:25,500 lectures and taking part in numerous 12 00:00:30,140 --> 00:00:27,390 panel discussions with some of the most 13 00:00:32,510 --> 00:00:30,150 popular UFO and unexplained podcasts out 14 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:32,520 there today and don't forget to check 15 00:00:37,970 --> 00:00:35,010 out live podcast recordings of summer in 16 00:00:40,130 --> 00:00:37,980 the skies and unknown hosted by Jason 17 00:00:42,860 --> 00:00:40,140 McClellan it's going to be a jam-packed 18 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:42,870 weekend you won't soon forget and you 19 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:45,690 get to be a part of the event is June 20 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:48,210 21st 22nd and 23rd at the Los Angeles 21 00:00:54,799 --> 00:00:51,090 Convention Center tickets are on sale 22 00:00:57,080 --> 00:00:54,809 right now at the Elliot Gong calm and if 23 00:00:59,630 --> 00:00:57,090 you use the promo code skies at checkout 24 00:01:02,740 --> 00:00:59,640 you'll get an exclusive discount on all 25 00:01:06,020 --> 00:01:02,750 tickets again use the promo code skies 26 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:06,030 for guest info special offers full 27 00:01:16,249 --> 00:01:08,490 schedule and ticket sves 'it the alien 28 00:01:17,960 --> 00:01:16,259 con comm and i'll see you there welcome 29 00:01:20,450 --> 00:01:17,970 to somewhere in the skies I'm your host 30 00:01:22,820 --> 00:01:20,460 Ryan Sprague before we get to this 31 00:01:24,620 --> 00:01:22,830 week's witness accounts episode I have 32 00:01:27,380 --> 00:01:24,630 to take a moment to acknowledge someone 33 00:01:32,330 --> 00:01:27,390 we unfortunately lost this past week in 34 00:01:34,609 --> 00:01:32,340 the UFO field Stanton T Friedman that 35 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:34,619 name will be very familiar to many of 36 00:01:39,350 --> 00:01:36,930 you out there but if it's not basically 37 00:01:41,450 --> 00:01:39,360 we have this man to thank for literally 38 00:01:44,389 --> 00:01:41,460 breaking the Roswell UFO story 39 00:01:47,149 --> 00:01:44,399 it was his hard work and unwavering 40 00:01:49,340 --> 00:01:47,159 dedication to track him down firsthand 41 00:01:52,130 --> 00:01:49,350 witnesses that have made this case the 42 00:01:55,190 --> 00:01:52,140 most famous UFO event and cover-up of 43 00:01:57,679 --> 00:01:55,200 all time I remember the first time I 44 00:02:00,800 --> 00:01:57,689 recognized him at a UFO conference in 45 00:02:03,740 --> 00:02:00,810 Arizona I was too scared to talk to him 46 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:03,750 I mean I was very very new to the UFO 47 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:04,890 game at this point 48 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:07,290 but as the years went on and I saw him 49 00:02:12,650 --> 00:02:09,690 more regularly I finally gathered the 50 00:02:15,589 --> 00:02:12,660 courage to get a book signed by him that 51 00:02:18,619 --> 00:02:15,599 book was crash at Corona all about the 52 00:02:21,530 --> 00:02:18,629 Roswell UFO crash it was the first ever 53 00:02:24,710 --> 00:02:21,540 book on UFOs I picked up at my local 54 00:02:27,020 --> 00:02:24,720 library as a 13 year old we spoke 55 00:02:30,199 --> 00:02:27,030 briefly after he signed my book and the 56 00:02:32,660 --> 00:02:30,209 years would go on and on April 1st 2018 57 00:02:35,390 --> 00:02:32,670 I had the amazing opportunity to 58 00:02:38,089 --> 00:02:35,400 interview mr. Friedman for the 50th 59 00:02:40,369 --> 00:02:38,099 episode of somewhere in the skies it was 60 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:40,379 an interview I would never forget after 61 00:02:44,990 --> 00:02:43,050 announcing his retirement from the UFO 62 00:02:46,940 --> 00:02:45,000 lecture circuit I thought it would be a 63 00:02:50,410 --> 00:02:46,950 perfect time to hear all about his life 64 00:02:53,690 --> 00:02:50,420 and careers in and out of the UFO field 65 00:02:56,690 --> 00:02:53,700 listening back to that episode now every 66 00:02:58,580 --> 00:02:56,700 single word has now been elevated and 67 00:03:01,430 --> 00:02:58,590 taken to heart more than I could have 68 00:03:03,380 --> 00:03:01,440 possibly known at the time only a few 69 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:03,390 months after that interview I had the 70 00:03:08,630 --> 00:03:06,090 rare opportunity to speak alongside him 71 00:03:09,920 --> 00:03:08,640 at his last ever lecture in Canada 72 00:03:12,530 --> 00:03:09,930 during the Halifax 73 00:03:15,410 --> 00:03:12,540 esoteric con conference put on by 74 00:03:17,089 --> 00:03:15,420 Stanton Friedman's very own nephew and a 75 00:03:19,550 --> 00:03:17,099 close friend of mine with Paul Kimball 76 00:03:22,100 --> 00:03:19,560 mr. Friedman stood in front of a packed 77 00:03:24,470 --> 00:03:22,110 audience and gave the same lecture he'd 78 00:03:26,479 --> 00:03:24,480 given almost 40 years ago and it was 79 00:03:27,830 --> 00:03:26,489 just as relevant today as it was back 80 00:03:33,619 --> 00:03:27,840 then 81 00:03:34,790 --> 00:03:33,629 you know at least look for fingerprints 82 00:03:38,030 --> 00:03:34,800 and footprints 83 00:03:43,220 --> 00:03:38,040 while we apologize us you trouble just 84 00:03:45,470 --> 00:03:43,230 not you fool urges and look for physical 85 00:03:48,619 --> 00:03:45,480 trace paces guy named Ted Phillips in 86 00:03:50,630 --> 00:03:48,629 Missouri has collected several thousand 87 00:03:53,390 --> 00:03:50,640 physical trace cases from at least 88 00:03:55,309 --> 00:03:53,400 eighty countries these are cases at 89 00:03:58,400 --> 00:03:55,319 which the saucer is seen on or near the 90 00:04:00,380 --> 00:03:58,410 ground an effort leaves what flats 91 00:04:04,910 --> 00:04:00,390 physical changes the equipment a firm 92 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:04,920 service programs ligature marks most 93 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:08,970 Anja's has changed out about ten 94 00:04:28,700 --> 00:04:13,890 inches and this another great measure to 95 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:28,710 the surrounding area I remember sitting 96 00:04:32,450 --> 00:04:30,330 in the front row of the audience and 97 00:04:34,820 --> 00:04:32,460 just thinking of what it was been like 98 00:04:37,460 --> 00:04:34,830 for this man touting flying saucers are 99 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:37,470 real back in the days when Project Blue 100 00:04:41,840 --> 00:04:38,970 Book was telling us that they were 101 00:04:43,969 --> 00:04:41,850 everything but real and throughout the 102 00:04:46,310 --> 00:04:43,979 years mr. Friedman wasn't without 103 00:04:48,950 --> 00:04:46,320 controversy but he was a man of 104 00:04:51,589 --> 00:04:48,960 conviction and he paved the way and 105 00:04:54,260 --> 00:04:51,599 built the roads that all of us seekers 106 00:04:58,850 --> 00:04:54,270 of truth are now navigating I pleased 107 00:05:02,630 --> 00:04:58,860 everybody I certainly have not 108 00:05:04,010 --> 00:05:02,640 that's the price you pay at a 109 00:05:05,840 --> 00:05:04,020 father-in-law who said when you're 110 00:05:07,340 --> 00:05:05,850 playing bridge if you don't get set once 111 00:05:10,490 --> 00:05:07,350 in a while you're not bidding high 112 00:05:12,980 --> 00:05:10,500 enough so if he can't stand the heat as 113 00:05:17,210 --> 00:05:12,990 Harry Truman said get out of the kitchen 114 00:05:20,950 --> 00:05:17,220 I can stand the heat and I will continue 115 00:05:27,790 --> 00:05:24,880 Stanton Friedman passed away on May 13th 116 00:05:31,970 --> 00:05:27,800 he died doing what he loved most 117 00:05:34,300 --> 00:05:31,980 speaking on the topic of UFOs he was on 118 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:34,310 his way home from giving a talk in Ohio 119 00:05:39,610 --> 00:05:38,250 this seems very fitting and I'm sure he 120 00:05:43,280 --> 00:05:39,620 wouldn't have it any other way 121 00:05:46,130 --> 00:05:43,290 he saw friends he saw colleagues he 122 00:05:47,630 --> 00:05:46,140 shared his research and I know he opened 123 00:05:50,030 --> 00:05:47,640 the eyes of many that were in the 124 00:05:53,930 --> 00:05:50,040 audience that day just like he did for 125 00:05:56,450 --> 00:05:53,940 me when I was 13 years old this episode 126 00:06:00,710 --> 00:05:56,460 is dedicated to the memory of Stanton T 127 00:06:02,870 --> 00:06:00,720 Friedman may he now finally rest finding 128 00:06:14,810 --> 00:06:02,880 the answers he's always sought somewhere 129 00:06:14,820 --> 00:06:19,580 [Music] 130 00:06:19,590 --> 00:06:23,600 [Applause] 131 00:06:28,190 --> 00:06:26,970 this is somewhere in the skies with 132 00:06:51,719 --> 00:06:28,200 Ryan's birth 133 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:52,990 hi 134 00:06:58,920 --> 00:06:56,330 my name is Jason I'm 40 years old and I 135 00:07:01,360 --> 00:06:58,930 reside in a rural part of Eastern Oregon 136 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:01,370 before I get into my experience I want 137 00:07:06,879 --> 00:07:03,650 to just state where my interest in UFOs 138 00:07:10,149 --> 00:07:06,889 originates when I was probably in the 139 00:07:12,070 --> 00:07:10,159 fourth or fifth grade I saw a commercial 140 00:07:15,610 --> 00:07:12,080 for time life's mysteries of the unknown 141 00:07:17,589 --> 00:07:15,620 now in this commercial there's a segment 142 00:07:19,089 --> 00:07:17,599 in which they show these recurring 143 00:07:21,279 --> 00:07:19,099 pictures of what would return gray 144 00:07:21,550 --> 00:07:21,289 aliens and it shows it over and over 145 00:07:24,339 --> 00:07:21,560 again 146 00:07:26,550 --> 00:07:24,349 now I remember the fear that I felt at 147 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:26,560 that age looking at those pictures and 148 00:07:30,879 --> 00:07:29,090 subsequently anytime a walk around the 149 00:07:33,279 --> 00:07:30,889 corner I would always be afraid that I 150 00:07:34,629 --> 00:07:33,289 would see one or you know I thought that 151 00:07:37,330 --> 00:07:34,639 if I were to ever look through a window 152 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:37,340 maybe I would see one staring at me so I 153 00:07:41,230 --> 00:07:39,050 would always make sure that the windows 154 00:07:43,420 --> 00:07:41,240 were shut the blinds are closed and they 155 00:07:45,850 --> 00:07:43,430 were latched that's the last kind of 156 00:07:48,309 --> 00:07:45,860 experience I wanted to have but that's 157 00:07:52,330 --> 00:07:48,319 where my interest originates I guess now 158 00:07:57,430 --> 00:07:52,340 the experience that I had it happened in 159 00:08:00,459 --> 00:07:57,440 late June of 2011 now I'm a jogger and I 160 00:08:02,740 --> 00:08:00,469 was jogging on this path between this 161 00:08:04,329 --> 00:08:02,750 Sports Complex and the local high school 162 00:08:08,439 --> 00:08:04,339 where I live now 163 00:08:10,570 --> 00:08:08,449 westward are some mountains and at this 164 00:08:12,730 --> 00:08:10,580 time it was dusk so the Sun had just set 165 00:08:14,469 --> 00:08:12,740 behind the peaks of those mountains but 166 00:08:18,219 --> 00:08:14,479 there's still a little bit of light 167 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:18,229 coming through now out of nowhere I just 168 00:08:21,550 --> 00:08:19,610 decided to look over to my right towards 169 00:08:24,579 --> 00:08:21,560 the mountains and as I look over to my 170 00:08:26,860 --> 00:08:24,589 right I see this flash of light and that 171 00:08:28,649 --> 00:08:26,870 my first thought was since that was at 172 00:08:31,329 --> 00:08:28,659 the base of the mountain where a lot of 173 00:08:33,909 --> 00:08:31,339 fields are that it was probably a crop 174 00:08:35,350 --> 00:08:33,919 duster or just a helicopter and the 175 00:08:37,209 --> 00:08:35,360 light was being reflected off the 176 00:08:40,779 --> 00:08:37,219 metallic surface I mean it seems logical 177 00:08:43,089 --> 00:08:40,789 enough right well as I keep looking I 178 00:08:46,150 --> 00:08:43,099 noticed that it starts speeding up and 179 00:08:48,999 --> 00:08:46,160 that this light isn't just a flash but 180 00:08:52,569 --> 00:08:49,009 it's a sustained ball of light 181 00:08:54,429 --> 00:08:52,579 now as it approaches what you would term 182 00:08:56,139 --> 00:08:54,439 a bad land hill at the base of one of 183 00:08:57,819 --> 00:08:56,149 these mountains and it's hitting 184 00:09:00,220 --> 00:08:57,829 southward by the way it's moving in the 185 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:00,230 same direction I am so as it approaches 186 00:09:05,619 --> 00:09:03,170 this hill it shoots up that what I would 187 00:09:10,179 --> 00:09:05,629 describe to be probably a 60 degree 188 00:09:13,150 --> 00:09:10,189 angle and it does so very rapidly now as 189 00:09:15,819 --> 00:09:13,160 it goes up it heads left to my direction 190 00:09:18,340 --> 00:09:15,829 which is eastward and it approaches me 191 00:09:20,289 --> 00:09:18,350 at a high rate of speed now when it 192 00:09:22,479 --> 00:09:20,299 finally comes above my head there are 193 00:09:24,939 --> 00:09:22,489 two things that I noticed first of all 194 00:09:27,249 --> 00:09:24,949 it's blinking really fast almost as if 195 00:09:29,289 --> 00:09:27,259 it were a really fast strobe light it 196 00:09:31,150 --> 00:09:29,299 was producing that type of effect and at 197 00:09:34,359 --> 00:09:31,160 the same time it looked like it was 198 00:09:35,979 --> 00:09:34,369 undulating and this was like a darker 199 00:09:38,710 --> 00:09:35,989 shade of yellow is the color I would 200 00:09:40,509 --> 00:09:38,720 describe it and you know when I see this 201 00:09:43,629 --> 00:09:40,519 passing over my head I remember 202 00:09:45,129 --> 00:09:43,639 distinctly thinking oh my god I can't 203 00:09:48,309 --> 00:09:45,139 believe this is actually happening 204 00:09:50,079 --> 00:09:48,319 you know you hear about this on on TV 205 00:09:53,109 --> 00:09:50,089 maybe or you read about it in books or 206 00:09:55,179 --> 00:09:53,119 magazines or on crazy internet forums 207 00:09:57,189 --> 00:09:55,189 where where people talk about crazy 208 00:09:58,629 --> 00:09:57,199 things all the time but you never really 209 00:09:59,739 --> 00:09:58,639 think that it's going to happen to you 210 00:10:02,650 --> 00:09:59,749 and you never really think that you're 211 00:10:05,590 --> 00:10:02,660 gonna see this well I saw it hands down 212 00:10:07,329 --> 00:10:05,600 now as it passes over my head it keeps 213 00:10:10,269 --> 00:10:07,339 going in the same direction and it's 214 00:10:12,359 --> 00:10:10,279 gaining altitude at this point as it 215 00:10:16,210 --> 00:10:12,369 gets higher to the atmosphere it 216 00:10:18,549 --> 00:10:16,220 pulsates three or four times and then it 217 00:10:20,169 --> 00:10:18,559 immediately immediately it looks like 218 00:10:21,730 --> 00:10:20,179 it's snuffed out as if someone snuffed 219 00:10:24,359 --> 00:10:21,740 it out like a candle I mean it just 220 00:10:28,780 --> 00:10:24,369 disappeared it contracted and was gone 221 00:10:31,780 --> 00:10:28,790 now when I was on my way home I finished 222 00:10:34,150 --> 00:10:31,790 my jog in the the bizarre part about all 223 00:10:35,889 --> 00:10:34,160 of this is that yes I was surprised yes 224 00:10:37,539 --> 00:10:35,899 I was kind of excited but at the same 225 00:10:39,369 --> 00:10:37,549 time I had this really calm serene 226 00:10:42,879 --> 00:10:39,379 feeling and it didn't really feel 227 00:10:45,729 --> 00:10:42,889 natural to be honest it felt like it was 228 00:10:48,789 --> 00:10:45,739 something surreal like it it didn't 229 00:10:51,819 --> 00:10:48,799 really happen but it did now a couple of 230 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:51,829 days later my wife and I are at our 231 00:10:56,900 --> 00:10:53,530 friend's house eating dinner 232 00:11:00,360 --> 00:10:56,910 and I bring this event up to them and 233 00:11:03,690 --> 00:11:00,370 the reason why I did this was because 234 00:11:05,790 --> 00:11:03,700 the place where this light originated 235 00:11:07,380 --> 00:11:05,800 from when I saw it was right near their 236 00:11:08,790 --> 00:11:07,390 property they own property right there 237 00:11:10,740 --> 00:11:08,800 on the on the base of the mountain so 238 00:11:12,030 --> 00:11:10,750 I'm like hey guys there's something 239 00:11:13,410 --> 00:11:12,040 going on over here did you see anything 240 00:11:16,950 --> 00:11:13,420 haven't really like to know if he did 241 00:11:19,020 --> 00:11:16,960 and of course they didn't and that night 242 00:11:20,580 --> 00:11:19,030 when we left my wife and I we were 243 00:11:24,210 --> 00:11:20,590 driving on the highway towards our house 244 00:11:26,460 --> 00:11:24,220 and I decide to look left over into the 245 00:11:29,460 --> 00:11:26,470 direction where I had seen that light a 246 00:11:32,430 --> 00:11:29,470 couple days before I go and I see what 247 00:11:34,590 --> 00:11:32,440 appears to be an orange ball of light 248 00:11:38,010 --> 00:11:34,600 rising into the air as steady speed 249 00:11:40,500 --> 00:11:38,020 really slow and steady so I pointed it 250 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:40,510 out to my wife and I am like so hey do 251 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:42,010 you see this and she's like yeah I see 252 00:11:46,380 --> 00:11:44,170 it so we pull over and we get out of the 253 00:11:49,500 --> 00:11:46,390 car and by the time we get out and we 254 00:11:51,150 --> 00:11:49,510 look up there are now three balls of 255 00:11:52,830 --> 00:11:51,160 orange light in the sky and they're 256 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:52,840 forming what appeared to be an 257 00:11:57,720 --> 00:11:54,370 equilateral triangle I mean they were 258 00:11:58,950 --> 00:11:57,730 very evenly spaced right and then after 259 00:12:03,329 --> 00:11:58,960 looking at it for a couple of minutes 260 00:12:05,270 --> 00:12:03,339 they one by one one out now I'm looking 261 00:12:08,310 --> 00:12:05,280 I'm thinking about these experiences and 262 00:12:10,079 --> 00:12:08,320 you know sometimes you think it could be 263 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:10,089 anything but I have a really weird 264 00:12:16,980 --> 00:12:12,850 feeling that the synchronicities in this 265 00:12:18,990 --> 00:12:16,990 or are too uncanny I'm not really much 266 00:12:22,380 --> 00:12:19,000 of a metaphysical person in that way I'm 267 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:22,390 not really into the woo factor so to 268 00:12:28,020 --> 00:12:25,210 speak but in retrospect when I look back 269 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:28,030 on these events I ask myself what are 270 00:12:32,970 --> 00:12:30,490 the odds that I would look in that 271 00:12:34,740 --> 00:12:32,980 direction at that time and see that 272 00:12:37,079 --> 00:12:34,750 light and have it passed directly over 273 00:12:38,970 --> 00:12:37,089 my head almost as if it were coming in 274 00:12:43,250 --> 00:12:38,980 my direction purposefully for me to see 275 00:12:45,690 --> 00:12:43,260 it when I first thought about this I 276 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:45,700 thought you know what it seems like he 277 00:12:49,290 --> 00:12:47,170 was trying to avoid being seen because 278 00:12:51,630 --> 00:12:49,300 it was going so fast but the more I 279 00:12:55,170 --> 00:12:51,640 think about it it almost seems like it 280 00:12:56,970 --> 00:12:55,180 wanted to be seen in both times because 281 00:12:59,280 --> 00:12:56,980 the fact that I was looking in those 282 00:13:00,660 --> 00:12:59,290 directions at that specific time in that 283 00:13:03,780 --> 00:13:00,670 specific way 284 00:13:06,180 --> 00:13:03,790 it really kind of reinforces you know 285 00:13:07,680 --> 00:13:06,190 that fear that I've always had about 286 00:13:10,710 --> 00:13:07,690 shutting my windows and whatnot he 287 00:13:13,230 --> 00:13:10,720 especially hinted into my older age now 288 00:13:15,390 --> 00:13:13,240 I suppose but one thing I think that is 289 00:13:18,390 --> 00:13:15,400 that makes us really poignant so to 290 00:13:21,420 --> 00:13:18,400 speak is that you know some people will 291 00:13:21,900 --> 00:13:21,430 say I know what it is I saw I know what 292 00:13:24,270 --> 00:13:21,910 I saw 293 00:13:26,940 --> 00:13:24,280 you know I I'm not at the same mind I 294 00:13:27,690 --> 00:13:26,950 say I have no idea what I saw I don't 295 00:13:33,690 --> 00:13:27,700 know what it was 296 00:13:35,460 --> 00:13:33,700 not a plane it was not a satellite it 297 00:13:37,850 --> 00:13:35,470 was not a balloon it was not a 298 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:37,860 helicopter it was nothing man-made 299 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:44,690 my name is Elle from Northeast Ohio I 300 00:13:52,110 --> 00:13:46,930 was about seven 301 00:13:55,290 --> 00:13:52,120 when this sighting occurred it was the 302 00:14:00,720 --> 00:13:55,300 first I can ever recall it certainly 303 00:14:05,310 --> 00:14:00,730 wasn't the last no I loved to play this 304 00:14:08,030 --> 00:14:05,320 game in my backyard that I called bus 305 00:14:11,010 --> 00:14:08,040 driver it's exactly the way it sounds I 306 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:11,020 walk around the yard and pretend that I 307 00:14:16,230 --> 00:14:13,210 was a bus driver picking the kids up to 308 00:14:21,540 --> 00:14:16,240 go to school I don't know why it was fun 309 00:14:24,270 --> 00:14:21,550 but I love doing it and I did it almost 310 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:24,280 every single day this particular day I 311 00:14:29,970 --> 00:14:26,250 remember there was something going on 312 00:14:33,930 --> 00:14:29,980 inside the house I my mom's family was 313 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:33,940 over so I flipped away went outside and 314 00:14:39,780 --> 00:14:36,610 started to play my game and when I got 315 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:39,790 closer to the house there was a deck on 316 00:14:45,990 --> 00:14:41,890 the back of the house that had a set of 317 00:14:47,700 --> 00:14:46,000 steps that were right at the back of the 318 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:47,710 house like you could go up the steps and 319 00:14:55,170 --> 00:14:50,530 go right inside the door and when I got 320 00:14:58,500 --> 00:14:55,180 there something compelled me to look up 321 00:15:05,070 --> 00:14:58,510 and look over my shoulder kind of behind 322 00:15:05,670 --> 00:15:05,080 me and there like maybe 20 or 30 feet in 323 00:15:10,730 --> 00:15:05,680 the air 324 00:15:14,570 --> 00:15:10,740 not very high off the ground was the 325 00:15:19,470 --> 00:15:14,580 literal definition of a flying saucer 326 00:15:22,010 --> 00:15:19,480 absolutely the most typical saucer that 327 00:15:25,100 --> 00:15:22,020 you know you could see in pop culture 328 00:15:29,250 --> 00:15:25,110 that you usually see in pop culture it 329 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:29,260 was small incredibly small like if there 330 00:15:35,430 --> 00:15:31,690 were people inside there could only be 331 00:15:37,870 --> 00:15:35,440 one that's how small it was and we lived 332 00:15:40,270 --> 00:15:37,880 in a ranch 333 00:15:44,470 --> 00:15:40,280 home that my parents had just built so 334 00:15:47,140 --> 00:15:44,480 it was not you know it was you know 335 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:47,150 exactly that about 20 or 30 feet up like 336 00:15:56,740 --> 00:15:53,570 tall and the craft didn't even they it 337 00:16:00,550 --> 00:15:56,750 didn't even clear the chimney it's crazy 338 00:16:03,130 --> 00:16:00,560 how long the moment went on or goes on 339 00:16:06,010 --> 00:16:03,140 in my memory because there are so many 340 00:16:10,450 --> 00:16:06,020 details that I can recall I remember it 341 00:16:13,170 --> 00:16:10,460 was silver but it wasn't reflective it 342 00:16:15,730 --> 00:16:13,180 had three lights that I could see and 343 00:16:17,380 --> 00:16:15,740 they were turned off but I could see 344 00:16:21,820 --> 00:16:17,390 what colors they would be if they were 345 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:21,830 turned on if one would be blue one would 346 00:16:30,670 --> 00:16:26,090 be yellow and one would be red and it 347 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:30,680 was just so small that's still to this 348 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:33,890 day one of the two things that baffles 349 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:37,610 me most is how small it was and how 350 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:43,970 close it was I had never experienced 351 00:16:47,830 --> 00:16:45,290 anything like this 352 00:16:51,250 --> 00:16:47,840 I had never wanted to it had never been 353 00:16:51,790 --> 00:16:51,260 something that was what I was interested 354 00:16:54,730 --> 00:16:51,800 in 355 00:16:56,470 --> 00:16:54,740 I loved Barbies and Hot Wheels I didn't 356 00:16:59,140 --> 00:16:56,480 care about space I didn't care about 357 00:17:04,179 --> 00:16:59,150 aliens I didn't care about any of that 358 00:17:06,550 --> 00:17:04,189 stuff so for me to see this was odd it 359 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:06,560 wasn't something that I would have been 360 00:17:14,350 --> 00:17:10,010 seeking out sometimes in the memories I 361 00:17:17,829 --> 00:17:14,360 can recall a figure or being inside the 362 00:17:22,449 --> 00:17:17,839 dome on top of the craft sometimes I 363 00:17:26,350 --> 00:17:22,459 can't I'm not sure which it would be 364 00:17:30,490 --> 00:17:26,360 maybe it was both maybe it was something 365 00:17:33,140 --> 00:17:30,500 I'm just creating in my mind but I know 366 00:17:37,190 --> 00:17:33,150 what I did see 367 00:17:40,970 --> 00:17:37,200 and I know that it was there in front of 368 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:40,980 me everything was silent like I there 369 00:17:46,070 --> 00:17:43,650 was no sounds I don't even know what 370 00:17:48,799 --> 00:17:46,080 really compelled me to look up because I 371 00:17:53,390 --> 00:17:48,809 was just minding my own business playing 372 00:17:57,680 --> 00:17:53,400 my little bus driver game and something 373 00:18:01,610 --> 00:17:57,690 caused me to look up I ran inside I 374 00:18:03,530 --> 00:18:01,620 didn't want to be around anything like 375 00:18:05,299 --> 00:18:03,540 that I when I got inside my 376 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:05,309 great-grandmother was standing right 377 00:18:09,860 --> 00:18:07,290 there and she's like oh you look like 378 00:18:14,510 --> 00:18:09,870 you just saw a ghost I'm like all I 379 00:18:17,360 --> 00:18:14,520 could say was no and shook my head and I 380 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:17,370 didn't say anything about it to her at 381 00:18:22,310 --> 00:18:19,770 some point I did tell my parents my dad 382 00:18:24,230 --> 00:18:22,320 didn't believe me my mom didn't say 383 00:18:26,660 --> 00:18:24,240 anything at the time but I found out 384 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:26,670 later that she most definitely did 385 00:18:32,919 --> 00:18:30,210 believe me my dad thought it was an 386 00:18:36,230 --> 00:18:32,929 excuse to go to not have to go outside 387 00:18:39,290 --> 00:18:36,240 because in the months that followed over 388 00:18:41,180 --> 00:18:39,300 that summer I didn't want to go outside 389 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:41,190 whether I was with someone or not I 390 00:18:46,930 --> 00:18:44,010 didn't want to see that again I would 391 00:18:51,130 --> 00:18:46,940 sit on the floor of my bedroom with my 392 00:18:55,130 --> 00:18:51,140 yellow line tablet and draw this house 393 00:18:57,130 --> 00:18:55,140 draw this girl and then draw this flying 394 00:19:00,880 --> 00:18:57,140 saucer 395 00:19:04,990 --> 00:19:00,890 and it was utterly silent when the 396 00:19:07,660 --> 00:19:05,000 incident happened but when I was drawing 397 00:19:09,970 --> 00:19:07,670 these I would always have some kind of 398 00:19:12,220 --> 00:19:09,980 caption on that flying saucer it would 399 00:19:16,360 --> 00:19:12,230 always say something like the one I 400 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:16,370 remember the most is Elle it's us we're 401 00:19:25,120 --> 00:19:21,770 not here to harm you and it's like I had 402 00:19:28,810 --> 00:19:25,130 never known about aliens or abductions 403 00:19:31,150 --> 00:19:28,820 or anything like that so I don't know 404 00:19:35,020 --> 00:19:31,160 why I added you know those little 405 00:19:38,049 --> 00:19:35,030 captions on to these pictures I hid them 406 00:19:40,450 --> 00:19:38,059 I know eventually my mom did see them 407 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:40,460 but I hid them and eventually I threw 408 00:19:46,299 --> 00:19:42,970 them away because I was embarrassed and 409 00:19:50,110 --> 00:19:46,309 that's how I've felt in the following 410 00:19:52,419 --> 00:19:50,120 years since since the that first 411 00:19:57,430 --> 00:19:52,429 sighting there's been other sightings 412 00:19:59,860 --> 00:19:57,440 there's many other experiences that have 413 00:20:05,320 --> 00:19:59,870 that should confirm to me that I'm not 414 00:20:11,490 --> 00:20:05,330 crazy but I I do feel so crazy every 415 00:20:16,870 --> 00:20:11,500 single day for believing in you know 416 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:16,880 aliens and UFOs and being on this 417 00:20:24,820 --> 00:20:21,890 journey of truth seeking I used to be so 418 00:20:28,180 --> 00:20:24,830 shameless when in my teen young teen 419 00:20:30,730 --> 00:20:28,190 years I was so shameless about making 420 00:20:33,250 --> 00:20:30,740 trying to make people believe in it I 421 00:20:34,780 --> 00:20:33,260 thought that if they heard my story then 422 00:20:39,250 --> 00:20:34,790 they would have to believe it because 423 00:20:42,460 --> 00:20:39,260 they know me why would I lie so 424 00:20:44,020 --> 00:20:42,470 therefore my story to me was the most 425 00:20:47,050 --> 00:20:44,030 compelling 426 00:20:52,090 --> 00:20:47,060 truth to them to make them believe it 427 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:52,100 but I kind of became an outcast in part 428 00:21:00,130 --> 00:20:54,530 because of that belief and eventually I 429 00:21:02,380 --> 00:21:00,140 kind of shut up about it I never I never 430 00:21:06,420 --> 00:21:02,390 really speak about it publicly anymore I 431 00:21:09,250 --> 00:21:06,430 just live in lippy 432 00:21:14,580 --> 00:21:09,260 there are other experiences that I've 433 00:21:18,580 --> 00:21:14,590 had that I shouldn't feel so insane but 434 00:21:22,090 --> 00:21:18,590 every single day of my life I do I 435 00:21:26,620 --> 00:21:22,100 completely feel crazy for seeing the 436 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:26,630 things that I've seen and believing what 437 00:21:35,980 --> 00:21:31,690 I do they say seeing is believing but I 438 00:21:42,310 --> 00:21:35,990 guess sometimes even seeing it can't 439 00:21:44,580 --> 00:21:42,320 make you believe it this is Cameron 440 00:21:47,170 --> 00:21:44,590 Brower thanks so much for having me I 441 00:21:49,120 --> 00:21:47,180 grew up in northern Montana right near 442 00:21:51,820 --> 00:21:49,130 the Canadian border the nearest town 443 00:21:53,940 --> 00:21:51,830 with over 100 people in it was about 25 444 00:21:56,290 --> 00:21:53,950 miles away so I was surrounded by 445 00:21:58,510 --> 00:21:56,300 millions of acres of empty Prairie 446 00:22:01,660 --> 00:21:58,520 taught by an endless sky full of stars 447 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:01,670 and well in that part of Montana you can 448 00:22:08,710 --> 00:22:05,450 definitely see some UFOs I would almost 449 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:08,720 guarantee that if anyone went out to 450 00:22:13,180 --> 00:22:10,850 that part of the Prairie only a mile or 451 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:13,190 so from the house that I grew up in and 452 00:22:18,190 --> 00:22:15,530 spent three or so nights looking you'd 453 00:22:19,020 --> 00:22:18,200 probably see a UFO probably more than 454 00:22:20,910 --> 00:22:19,030 one 455 00:22:23,190 --> 00:22:20,920 my friends and I spent countless nights 456 00:22:24,750 --> 00:22:23,200 sleeping under the stars we would stare 457 00:22:27,090 --> 00:22:24,760 most of the night at the sky and we 458 00:22:28,230 --> 00:22:27,100 would see amazing things like satellites 459 00:22:31,590 --> 00:22:28,240 and other things that look like 460 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:31,600 satellites but probably weren't these 461 00:22:36,120 --> 00:22:33,610 dim lights would travel across the sky 462 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:36,130 just like a satellite but they would do 463 00:22:40,470 --> 00:22:39,010 other things that were amazing just when 464 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:40,480 you thought you were looking at another 465 00:22:45,150 --> 00:22:42,970 satellite the small dim light above 466 00:22:48,140 --> 00:22:45,160 would stop or it would change direction 467 00:22:50,460 --> 00:22:48,150 90 degrees or do a complete 180 468 00:22:52,770 --> 00:22:50,470 sometimes they would even approach other 469 00:22:55,380 --> 00:22:52,780 lights with identical intensity and stop 470 00:22:58,110 --> 00:22:55,390 then continue on and stop at another 471 00:23:01,130 --> 00:22:58,120 light sometimes stopping 3 or 4 times 472 00:23:05,340 --> 00:23:01,140 before they had blast across the sky and 473 00:23:07,710 --> 00:23:05,350 unimaginable speeds and disappear during 474 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:07,720 the summer of 1983 which was the year 475 00:23:11,790 --> 00:23:09,970 between my sophomore and junior year of 476 00:23:15,270 --> 00:23:11,800 high school I had a job I worked at a 477 00:23:18,060 --> 00:23:15,280 radio station my usual shift was about 6 478 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:18,070 p.m. to midnight and my own car and I 479 00:23:22,970 --> 00:23:20,290 drove the 25 miles to and from work 480 00:23:25,580 --> 00:23:22,980 several times a week 481 00:23:27,770 --> 00:23:25,590 after work that always gave me a chance 482 00:23:29,690 --> 00:23:27,780 to do a lot of thinking and to also look 483 00:23:31,970 --> 00:23:29,700 for lights in the sky and other strange 484 00:23:35,120 --> 00:23:31,980 looking lights which were not too hard 485 00:23:37,100 --> 00:23:35,130 to find even when driving so one night I 486 00:23:39,740 --> 00:23:37,110 was traveling home a little later than 487 00:23:41,750 --> 00:23:39,750 usual I was about halfway home there was 488 00:23:44,990 --> 00:23:41,760 no mood and I was only car in the road 489 00:23:46,610 --> 00:23:45,000 this was not unusual if you were on this 490 00:23:49,100 --> 00:23:46,620 stretch of highway you were most likely 491 00:23:52,670 --> 00:23:49,110 a trucker going to or coming from Canada 492 00:23:55,610 --> 00:23:52,680 I was listening to my AM radio in my old 493 00:23:58,640 --> 00:23:55,620 66 Chevy when all of a sudden an emerald 494 00:24:01,310 --> 00:23:58,650 green light lit up the whole sky and I'm 495 00:24:03,230 --> 00:24:01,320 talking the whole sky the light was 496 00:24:05,420 --> 00:24:03,240 coming from my side of the car and I 497 00:24:08,090 --> 00:24:05,430 quickly looked over just in time to see 498 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:08,100 the green streak the object made a cross 499 00:24:15,830 --> 00:24:12,810 and parallel to my left to the horizon 500 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:15,840 there was also a woosh sound but not so 501 00:24:20,360 --> 00:24:18,810 much because of the object or the object 502 00:24:23,210 --> 00:24:20,370 flying through our atmosphere it was 503 00:24:24,890 --> 00:24:23,220 almost like the light object made its 504 00:24:26,570 --> 00:24:24,900 own sound and I know that's hard to 505 00:24:29,570 --> 00:24:26,580 explain but there was definitely a 506 00:24:32,330 --> 00:24:29,580 whoosh sound I estimate the light was 507 00:24:34,580 --> 00:24:32,340 more than 40 miles away but less than 80 508 00:24:36,740 --> 00:24:34,590 I could see the Rocky Mountain Front 509 00:24:39,230 --> 00:24:36,750 behind the light and I saw something 510 00:24:41,930 --> 00:24:39,240 else as well I saw what looked like 511 00:24:43,970 --> 00:24:41,940 dozens of great dots and dashes that 512 00:24:46,820 --> 00:24:43,980 were peppering the night sky just above 513 00:24:48,860 --> 00:24:46,830 the horizon of the Rockies I knew these 514 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:48,870 gray dots were the profile of some kind 515 00:24:54,530 --> 00:24:51,090 of craft that were probably floating in 516 00:24:56,690 --> 00:24:54,540 the night sky they were absolutely in 517 00:24:58,370 --> 00:24:56,700 formation and I could barely make them 518 00:25:01,220 --> 00:24:58,380 out after the green light was totally 519 00:25:04,120 --> 00:25:01,230 gone but they remained there maybe for 520 00:25:07,970 --> 00:25:04,130 20 seconds or more just kind of hovering 521 00:25:10,220 --> 00:25:07,980 then something incredible in formation 522 00:25:12,650 --> 00:25:10,230 they moved slightly forward and then 523 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:12,660 made in a draw abrupt ascent and began 524 00:25:18,050 --> 00:25:15,930 spiraling in formation into the sky they 525 00:25:20,690 --> 00:25:18,060 were in groups spiraling and heading 526 00:25:22,730 --> 00:25:20,700 totally vertical and then there was a 527 00:25:25,100 --> 00:25:22,740 flash of green at the highest point in 528 00:25:27,650 --> 00:25:25,110 their travel and they became one gray 529 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:27,660 streak that actually glowed a little 530 00:25:32,090 --> 00:25:29,610 grayer in the sky as they continued 531 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:32,100 straight up they definitely seemed to 532 00:25:36,740 --> 00:25:34,290 bleed into one streak as they stretched 533 00:25:40,010 --> 00:25:36,750 up and out of sight in an incredible 534 00:25:42,530 --> 00:25:40,020 flash and an incredible demonstration of 535 00:25:44,780 --> 00:25:42,540 speed and in less than a second they 536 00:25:47,060 --> 00:25:44,790 were gone there was another brief flash 537 00:25:51,260 --> 00:25:47,070 of green at that point very high this 538 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:51,270 guy and they disappeared I didn't get 539 00:25:55,130 --> 00:25:53,250 the impression they were making that 540 00:25:57,680 --> 00:25:55,140 green glow at all I am definitely 541 00:25:59,810 --> 00:25:57,690 thinking they were under fire or making 542 00:26:02,900 --> 00:25:59,820 an escape I couldn't see anything 543 00:26:06,410 --> 00:26:02,910 pursuing them but for sure they were 544 00:26:08,300 --> 00:26:06,420 trying to flee something so I can't help 545 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:08,310 but wonder if I witnessed some kind of 546 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:10,530 interstellar battle right here on earth 547 00:26:15,050 --> 00:26:13,290 right in the middle of Montana thank you 548 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:15,060 so much for having me I love your 549 00:26:26,470 --> 00:26:22,360 hi Ryan this is brandy from Omaha 550 00:26:30,370 --> 00:26:26,480 calling in my story back in October of 551 00:26:32,020 --> 00:26:30,380 2011 my then fiance and I were driving 552 00:26:33,730 --> 00:26:32,030 home from dinner one night and it was 553 00:26:35,230 --> 00:26:33,740 still kind of early so we decided we 554 00:26:38,860 --> 00:26:35,240 were gonna hit a couple of the local 555 00:26:40,810 --> 00:26:38,870 bars on the way home on our way back we 556 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:40,820 were coming over this expressway and 557 00:26:47,170 --> 00:26:42,650 looking up there was probably about 558 00:26:50,230 --> 00:26:47,180 seven to ten reddish ambarish colored 559 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:50,240 lights all throughout the sky we really 560 00:26:54,100 --> 00:26:51,770 wanted to pull over and just watch him 561 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:54,110 but there was really nowhere on this 562 00:26:57,820 --> 00:26:55,970 expressway to pull over safely so we 563 00:27:01,030 --> 00:26:57,830 just kind of slowed down and just kept 564 00:27:02,050 --> 00:27:01,040 staring at him and driving and it didn't 565 00:27:03,730 --> 00:27:02,060 really seem like any of the other 566 00:27:05,500 --> 00:27:03,740 drivers were paying any attention to him 567 00:27:08,170 --> 00:27:05,510 nobody else was slowing down nobody else 568 00:27:09,460 --> 00:27:08,180 was pulling over anything so we were 569 00:27:11,260 --> 00:27:09,470 just kind of watching him as we were 570 00:27:12,790 --> 00:27:11,270 trying to drive and we just kept 571 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:12,800 noticing more and more of them just kind 572 00:27:17,860 --> 00:27:16,010 of just kept blinking out there one of 573 00:27:20,530 --> 00:27:17,870 them remained by the time that we got 574 00:27:23,710 --> 00:27:20,540 parked to go into one of the bars and it 575 00:27:25,570 --> 00:27:23,720 the thought that struck me was I just 576 00:27:27,820 --> 00:27:25,580 got past this 577 00:27:30,670 --> 00:27:27,830 and that thought just kind of kept just 578 00:27:32,140 --> 00:27:30,680 rolling around in my head and it sat 579 00:27:33,790 --> 00:27:32,150 with me for some time but I kind of 580 00:27:37,450 --> 00:27:33,800 didn't think it named anything else of 581 00:27:40,510 --> 00:27:37,460 it and then a few years later I had kind 582 00:27:43,570 --> 00:27:40,520 of a whirlwind of experiences all just 583 00:27:46,330 --> 00:27:43,580 kind of happened at the same time I kind 584 00:27:50,170 --> 00:27:46,340 of started back up again in April of 585 00:27:53,170 --> 00:27:50,180 2015 I woke to the sound of this tapping 586 00:27:55,120 --> 00:27:53,180 noise what would have been on one window 587 00:27:57,970 --> 00:27:55,130 or corner of the house so I went to go 588 00:27:59,560 --> 00:27:57,980 see what was making the noise and that's 589 00:28:01,780 --> 00:27:59,570 when I noticed there was another light 590 00:28:05,610 --> 00:28:01,790 outside of the window and it was just 591 00:28:10,090 --> 00:28:05,620 kind of flashing this ironic white red 592 00:28:11,980 --> 00:28:10,100 multicolor blinked to it and it was just 593 00:28:13,210 --> 00:28:11,990 kind of fascinating and I was watching 594 00:28:15,460 --> 00:28:13,220 it for a little bit and I would notice 595 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:15,470 it would kind of just bounce and weave 596 00:28:19,900 --> 00:28:18,290 and move around just enough to be 597 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:19,910 noticeable but not really go anywhere 598 00:28:23,590 --> 00:28:21,410 and I think I sat and watched it for 599 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:23,600 maybe about an hour before I just 600 00:28:27,790 --> 00:28:25,730 finally got tired of it went to bed and 601 00:28:30,790 --> 00:28:27,800 for the next few nights it was just 602 00:28:33,490 --> 00:28:30,800 there and every night and then after 603 00:28:36,340 --> 00:28:33,500 about a week or so I stopped seeing it 604 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:36,350 after that point I just kind of got hit 605 00:28:41,919 --> 00:28:38,570 with the flurry of just synchronicities 606 00:28:43,659 --> 00:28:41,929 and all kind of all these little signs 607 00:28:48,130 --> 00:28:43,669 pointing to things that were going on in 608 00:28:50,890 --> 00:28:48,140 my life and I had this mad rush to try 609 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:50,900 and read and take in and consume 610 00:28:57,700 --> 00:28:55,210 anything I could about UFOs aliens 611 00:29:01,419 --> 00:28:57,710 experiencers anything of that fashion 612 00:29:03,310 --> 00:29:01,429 and it it was just a non-stop drive to 613 00:29:05,890 --> 00:29:03,320 try and consume everything that I could 614 00:29:08,020 --> 00:29:05,900 and I think in that time a lot of 615 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:08,030 childhood memories came back of stuff 616 00:29:12,820 --> 00:29:09,530 that has happened to me collectively 617 00:29:15,180 --> 00:29:12,830 over the years and I had one experience 618 00:29:18,190 --> 00:29:15,190 that I always thought was a dream but 619 00:29:21,250 --> 00:29:18,200 turned out thinking back I don't really 620 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:21,260 think that was the case I lived right 621 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:23,450 next to my grandparents when I was a 622 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:25,370 little opinioned so during the summer 623 00:29:30,220 --> 00:29:28,370 when my parents were at work I had free 624 00:29:32,620 --> 00:29:30,230 rein to bounce between my grandma's 625 00:29:38,770 --> 00:29:32,630 house and mine and one summer afternoon 626 00:29:40,510 --> 00:29:38,780 I was playing in my room and my room had 627 00:29:42,100 --> 00:29:40,520 four windows in it because it was kind 628 00:29:43,659 --> 00:29:42,110 of on the back corner of the house and 629 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:43,669 they were pretty tied say maybe about 630 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:46,730 ten feet off the ground or so I had this 631 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:48,650 girl come and tap at my window and I 632 00:29:52,419 --> 00:29:50,450 didn't think anything of it because I 633 00:29:54,590 --> 00:29:52,429 had half sisters that would sometimes 634 00:29:57,710 --> 00:29:54,600 come and visit me and 635 00:29:59,480 --> 00:29:57,720 so I I just didn't really think anything 636 00:30:01,940 --> 00:29:59,490 of it and I didn't know this one girl in 637 00:30:04,399 --> 00:30:01,950 particular but I remember her coming to 638 00:30:07,070 --> 00:30:04,409 play with me one other time and she she 639 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:07,080 had red hair and for some reason I 640 00:30:11,330 --> 00:30:09,690 thought she was another one of my half 641 00:30:15,110 --> 00:30:11,340 sisters because I only saw him once 642 00:30:17,330 --> 00:30:15,120 every couple times a year or so I mean I 643 00:30:19,879 --> 00:30:17,340 was small maybe like four or five so I 644 00:30:23,029 --> 00:30:19,889 didn't really pay attention to who some 645 00:30:25,310 --> 00:30:23,039 of these people were and this girl she 646 00:30:28,039 --> 00:30:25,320 came tapping at my window and I remember 647 00:30:29,450 --> 00:30:28,049 thinking how did you get up there she 648 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:29,460 wanted me to come outside and play and 649 00:30:34,940 --> 00:30:32,610 so I did I don't really remember going 650 00:30:36,950 --> 00:30:34,950 out but I did and we were playing on the 651 00:30:39,950 --> 00:30:36,960 swing set I kept asking I'm like how did 652 00:30:42,230 --> 00:30:39,960 you get up to the window well then I had 653 00:30:44,570 --> 00:30:42,240 there was a little piece of tin that was 654 00:30:46,220 --> 00:30:44,580 up against the side of the house well 655 00:30:48,980 --> 00:30:46,230 she said she climbed up it I tried to 656 00:30:50,749 --> 00:30:48,990 replicate it and I couldn't they just 657 00:30:55,039 --> 00:30:50,759 blew it off and I didn't think anything 658 00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:55,049 else of it and it was a little later we 659 00:30:58,610 --> 00:30:56,850 were playing on the swing set she kept 660 00:30:59,960 --> 00:30:58,620 trying to ask me to do something and I 661 00:31:03,470 --> 00:30:59,970 don't remember what the question was but 662 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:03,480 I was just so distraught and I remember 663 00:31:06,980 --> 00:31:05,490 thinking you're mean I don't want you to 664 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:06,990 come and play with me anymore 665 00:31:11,419 --> 00:31:09,330 and she kept just trying to convince me 666 00:31:13,190 --> 00:31:11,429 to to go with her and I didn't want to 667 00:31:16,369 --> 00:31:13,200 go with her and then the next thing I 668 00:31:20,810 --> 00:31:16,379 remember I'm standing in the backyard 669 00:31:23,779 --> 00:31:20,820 and behind my bedroom there was a fenced 670 00:31:27,619 --> 00:31:23,789 off garden and in this garden was this 671 00:31:30,619 --> 00:31:27,629 little Scout ship thing and I remember 672 00:31:32,779 --> 00:31:30,629 standing there and she was there and I 673 00:31:34,460 --> 00:31:32,789 was begging her that I didn't want to go 674 00:31:37,279 --> 00:31:34,470 inside of this thing 675 00:31:40,010 --> 00:31:37,289 she she was just it was like she just 676 00:31:42,230 --> 00:31:40,020 gotten really mean and pushy and she was 677 00:31:45,260 --> 00:31:42,240 making me and I was pleading not to do 678 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:45,270 it I don't remember ever actually going 679 00:31:53,029 --> 00:31:48,330 inside of it but I do remember being 680 00:31:54,529 --> 00:31:53,039 inside of it on this like dark table it 681 00:31:57,590 --> 00:31:54,539 was dark in there and I had this weird 682 00:31:59,060 --> 00:31:57,600 like amber kind of lighting against the 683 00:32:01,549 --> 00:31:59,070 floor and that's all I remember but 684 00:32:03,409 --> 00:32:01,559 instead of being faced up I was like 685 00:32:07,370 --> 00:32:03,419 face down on the table like and I 686 00:32:09,260 --> 00:32:07,380 remember being told not to look and I at 687 00:32:13,100 --> 00:32:09,270 that point and went from being upset to 688 00:32:16,580 --> 00:32:13,110 just angry because this girl was talking 689 00:32:18,500 --> 00:32:16,590 to whoever was behind me and I wasn't 690 00:32:23,149 --> 00:32:18,510 allowed to look and I was mad about it 691 00:32:24,649 --> 00:32:23,159 and I remember just laying there crying 692 00:32:27,350 --> 00:32:24,659 and crying and the next thing I knew I 693 00:32:28,820 --> 00:32:27,360 was back in bed and just sobbing and I 694 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:28,830 remember just having such a relief 695 00:32:34,669 --> 00:32:30,330 thinking oh that was such a terrible 696 00:32:36,669 --> 00:32:34,679 dream but after that I remember having 697 00:32:39,799 --> 00:32:36,679 friends over and I remember showing them 698 00:32:41,899 --> 00:32:39,809 this girl came up to my window and she 699 00:32:44,930 --> 00:32:41,909 climbed up and she we were trying to 700 00:32:47,419 --> 00:32:44,940 climb up the back part of the house like 701 00:32:50,810 --> 00:32:47,429 how this girl was to get up how she was 702 00:32:53,270 --> 00:32:50,820 and I I couldn't ever do it and I don't 703 00:32:55,580 --> 00:32:53,280 know how she did it so thinking back it 704 00:33:00,260 --> 00:32:55,590 really wasn't a dream it really did 705 00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:00,270 happen and so it there's just a lot of 706 00:33:06,169 --> 00:33:02,130 other experiences I'd be happy to call 707 00:33:08,029 --> 00:33:06,179 in some time but that was that was one 708 00:33:09,909 --> 00:33:08,039 of the major wake-up calls I've had and 709 00:33:15,700 --> 00:33:09,919 I've had 710 00:33:18,070 --> 00:33:15,710 dreams where I felt like they were in my 711 00:33:20,770 --> 00:33:18,080 room with me I've woken up with marks to 712 00:33:26,740 --> 00:33:20,780 correspond with the kinds of dreams I've 713 00:33:30,310 --> 00:33:26,750 had and it's it was really crazy in some 714 00:33:32,590 --> 00:33:30,320 way I was kind of happy that I had some 715 00:33:34,390 --> 00:33:32,600 sort of justification to all the weird 716 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:34,400 things that have happened my entire life 717 00:33:39,690 --> 00:33:37,250 and then also it was very alarming 718 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:39,700 because I have no control over it and 719 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:42,890 it's kind of lonesome because you don't 720 00:33:45,330 --> 00:33:44,570 really have anybody you can talk to 721 00:33:48,370 --> 00:33:45,340 about it 722 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:48,380 thankfully my dad has kind of had 723 00:33:53,020 --> 00:33:50,690 similar experiences so he has been kind 724 00:33:55,060 --> 00:33:53,030 of my saving grace and that I can talk 725 00:33:58,900 --> 00:33:55,070 to him about some of the goings on in my 726 00:34:02,470 --> 00:33:58,910 life and we have had a few sort of 727 00:34:04,870 --> 00:34:02,480 shared events so that's been nice but 728 00:34:07,390 --> 00:34:04,880 for the most part it's it's opened my 729 00:34:11,670 --> 00:34:07,400 eyes to a lot of things and it's made me 730 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:11,680 appreciate and take great value in life 731 00:34:19,310 --> 00:34:14,410 and and just kind of have a whole new 732 00:34:21,660 --> 00:34:19,320 outlook on humanity and also it's very 733 00:34:24,290 --> 00:34:21,670 stressful because you never know when 734 00:34:27,330 --> 00:34:24,300 things are going to flare up again and 735 00:34:31,530 --> 00:34:27,340 you have no control of how it's going to 736 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:31,540 affect your life outwardly in you a lot 737 00:34:34,740 --> 00:34:32,890 of times you just want to talk to 738 00:34:36,870 --> 00:34:34,750 somebody about it any you don't always 739 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:36,880 have that opportunity so you're 740 00:34:40,860 --> 00:34:38,650 struggling with things in kind of your 741 00:34:44,150 --> 00:34:40,870 private life that you can't really 742 00:34:46,290 --> 00:34:44,160 explain to anybody else and so it's 743 00:34:48,930 --> 00:34:46,300 taught me to have a really good 744 00:34:51,240 --> 00:34:48,940 balancing act in life but I thank you 745 00:34:53,700 --> 00:34:51,250 for having a platform for us to share 746 00:34:55,530 --> 00:34:53,710 our stories we appreciate hearing that 747 00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:55,540 we're we're not the only people that 748 00:35:00,470 --> 00:34:57,850 experience things like this so thanks 749 00:35:08,610 --> 00:35:06,240 at about 444 p.m. on November 26 2009 750 00:35:10,620 --> 00:35:08,620 when I walked out with the a VRC 751 00:35:12,540 --> 00:35:10,630 facility in Danville Virginia they 752 00:35:15,170 --> 00:35:12,550 didn't come from anywhere they didn't 753 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:15,180 suddenly beam in there they were two 754 00:35:23,100 --> 00:35:20,010 20-foot orbs glowing beautiful light 755 00:35:24,930 --> 00:35:23,110 rose-colored light with a thin layer of 756 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:24,940 yellow light around each one one 757 00:35:29,310 --> 00:35:27,370 slightly cent higher in the sky only 758 00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:29,320 about 120 feet from the ground only 759 00:35:34,550 --> 00:35:31,450 about 120 feet from where I was standing 760 00:35:37,820 --> 00:35:36,440 I should have said something profound 761 00:35:41,300 --> 00:35:37,830 but all I could say was what will you 762 00:35:43,900 --> 00:35:41,310 look at that I grabbed my binoculars out 763 00:35:47,810 --> 00:35:43,910 of my truck which is right there and 764 00:35:51,500 --> 00:35:47,820 watched as the first one that I got into 765 00:35:54,260 --> 00:35:51,510 focus the lower one in the sky began to 766 00:35:56,930 --> 00:35:54,270 develop a lip of invisibility that 767 00:36:01,070 --> 00:35:56,940 covered the whole sphere in the course 768 00:36:02,810 --> 00:36:01,080 of about 14 seconds after which I moved 769 00:36:05,060 --> 00:36:02,820 my binoculars to look at the other one 770 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:05,070 at to began to have a lip of 771 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:07,290 invisibility that formed and took about 772 00:36:14,570 --> 00:36:11,570 14 seconds to completely cloak it 773 00:36:17,930 --> 00:36:14,580 ultimately the meaning can be brought 774 00:36:21,170 --> 00:36:17,940 down to this as we cannot see the stars 775 00:36:24,260 --> 00:36:21,180 during the day or we cannot see the air 776 00:36:27,050 --> 00:36:24,270 we breathe it does not mean it does not 777 00:36:30,710 --> 00:36:27,060 exist or they do not exist what do I 778 00:36:34,220 --> 00:36:30,720 draw from the whole experience that 779 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:34,230 great things are coming with living for 780 00:36:39,850 --> 00:36:37,650 worth dying for and obviously we are not 781 00:36:44,380 --> 00:36:39,860 alone 782 00:36:48,350 --> 00:36:44,390 my name is Tim McMillan and in 2011 I 783 00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:48,360 saw something in the sky that I still 784 00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:51,330 cannot find a prosaic explanation for it 785 00:36:56,930 --> 00:36:53,610 ultimately thrusts me down the rabbit 786 00:36:59,030 --> 00:36:56,940 hole of the entire UFO enigma that 787 00:37:01,280 --> 00:36:59,040 particularly light it was December it 788 00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:01,290 was a very cold night and I was leaving 789 00:37:05,990 --> 00:37:03,450 a friend of Mines house in rincón 790 00:37:09,650 --> 00:37:06,000 Georgia just outside Savannah it's about 791 00:37:12,260 --> 00:37:09,660 11:00 11:30 at night and me and her were 792 00:37:14,510 --> 00:37:12,270 just talking in her front yard and I 793 00:37:17,780 --> 00:37:14,520 remember was a really bitterly cold 794 00:37:19,460 --> 00:37:17,790 night and living here on the coast it's 795 00:37:21,260 --> 00:37:19,470 really on those coldest nights so the 796 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:21,270 only times you get to see really nice 797 00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:24,930 beautiful starry skies typically the 798 00:37:30,020 --> 00:37:26,970 humidity we don't get to see some of 799 00:37:32,570 --> 00:37:30,030 those really picturesque night scenes 800 00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:32,580 that other people get to see and so we 801 00:37:39,010 --> 00:37:35,850 were chatting and just you know hanging 802 00:37:42,980 --> 00:37:39,020 out before I left and admittedly I've 803 00:37:44,810 --> 00:37:42,990 always been a stargazer and always had a 804 00:37:48,820 --> 00:37:44,820 fascination with the sky and so I was 805 00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:48,830 gazing up in the air when suddenly 806 00:37:56,270 --> 00:37:51,770 inexplicably out of the blue these three 807 00:37:57,950 --> 00:37:56,280 bright lights just popped up as if 808 00:38:01,430 --> 00:37:57,960 somebody was flipping a light switch and 809 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:01,440 they were in a straight line and they 810 00:38:08,780 --> 00:38:04,770 were the brightest color white you could 811 00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:08,790 possibly imagine but yet also had kind 812 00:38:14,770 --> 00:38:12,330 of a antique yellow tinge to him is it's 813 00:38:16,790 --> 00:38:14,780 hard to describe but they were they just 814 00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:16,800 like I said it was like somebody cut on 815 00:38:22,940 --> 00:38:20,130 the light switch and it was one of these 816 00:38:24,650 --> 00:38:22,950 events it's not something where you see 817 00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:24,660 something strange in the sky and you go 818 00:38:29,630 --> 00:38:26,490 hey what's that now this was something 819 00:38:33,020 --> 00:38:29,640 as soon as it emerged both me and my 820 00:38:35,390 --> 00:38:33,030 friend were we're just holy cow oh look 821 00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:35,400 at that I mean it just dominated the 822 00:38:39,710 --> 00:38:37,170 night sky and from right in front of us 823 00:38:43,940 --> 00:38:42,710 perfectly in a straight little row you 824 00:38:45,950 --> 00:38:43,950 know they were probably about the size 825 00:38:49,940 --> 00:38:45,960 of a pea if you held it out at arm's 826 00:38:53,540 --> 00:38:49,950 length and they were evenly spaced 827 00:38:54,710 --> 00:38:53,550 almost in a sequence and they stayed 828 00:38:57,349 --> 00:38:54,720 like that for 829 00:38:59,240 --> 00:38:57,359 I don't 10 15 seconds and then they all 830 00:39:02,330 --> 00:38:59,250 three just went out again as if somebody 831 00:39:03,620 --> 00:39:02,340 just cut out a light switch and so you 832 00:39:06,740 --> 00:39:03,630 know we were standing there dumbfounded 833 00:39:09,500 --> 00:39:06,750 whoa what was that what could that have 834 00:39:13,220 --> 00:39:09,510 been and and they were kind of low on 835 00:39:15,109 --> 00:39:13,230 the horizon as well and you definitely 836 00:39:16,010 --> 00:39:15,119 didn't look like anything we had ever 837 00:39:19,599 --> 00:39:16,020 seen before 838 00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:19,609 and they stayed off for probably another 839 00:39:26,620 --> 00:39:22,970 15 20 seconds and then all of a sudden 840 00:39:28,580 --> 00:39:26,630 the same three lights cut right back on 841 00:39:31,070 --> 00:39:28,590 except this time there were two other 842 00:39:32,990 --> 00:39:31,080 lights and all of them were in a row as 843 00:39:36,830 --> 00:39:33,000 if you know they were attached to a 844 00:39:38,780 --> 00:39:36,840 straight level surface except that the 845 00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:38,790 two additional lights that came on they 846 00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:42,210 were spaced a little distance away from 847 00:39:47,570 --> 00:39:45,330 the first three and it was only when all 848 00:39:49,820 --> 00:39:47,580 five of them just caught on like that' 849 00:39:51,349 --> 00:39:49,830 properly the sudden they realized that 850 00:39:54,410 --> 00:39:51,359 against the ambient light of their 851 00:39:59,390 --> 00:39:54,420 horizon there appeared to be this kind 852 00:40:02,420 --> 00:39:59,400 of rectangular almost like a giant pizza 853 00:40:05,839 --> 00:40:02,430 box that seemed to be blocking out the 854 00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:05,849 ambient light on the horizon and i mean 855 00:40:10,780 --> 00:40:07,410 if this thing was a solid structure it 856 00:40:15,079 --> 00:40:10,790 was huge and low-flying 857 00:40:17,060 --> 00:40:15,089 it didn't make any noise and with all 858 00:40:18,620 --> 00:40:17,070 five lights popped up there the lights 859 00:40:20,060 --> 00:40:18,630 themselves were so bright it was kind of 860 00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:20,070 difficult to see but you could see the 861 00:40:28,070 --> 00:40:24,450 the very straight edges of what looked 862 00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:28,080 like a giant pizza box I don't know what 863 00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:30,050 color other than it was darker darker 864 00:40:36,710 --> 00:40:33,450 enough that it kind of blocked out the 865 00:40:39,650 --> 00:40:36,720 city lights there and a whole five 866 00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:39,660 lights stayed on like that for probably 867 00:40:46,070 --> 00:40:43,050 another 20 seconds or so 868 00:40:47,900 --> 00:40:46,080 and then all five just disappeared again 869 00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:47,910 It was as if somebody was flipping a 870 00:40:53,630 --> 00:40:52,170 switch on and then off at the time I I 871 00:40:56,630 --> 00:40:53,640 was a police officer 872 00:40:58,670 --> 00:40:56,640 I was a sergeant I ran a shift a patrol 873 00:41:00,890 --> 00:40:58,680 shift and I'd ended up being a 874 00:41:02,990 --> 00:41:00,900 lieutenant before I retired and the 875 00:41:05,750 --> 00:41:03,000 officer who was with me she she was a 876 00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:05,760 sergeant she still is a sergeant with 877 00:41:10,460 --> 00:41:09,090 the police force and so we were customer 878 00:41:12,530 --> 00:41:10,470 working nights we worked in an area 879 00:41:15,350 --> 00:41:12,540 where there's a lot of military activity 880 00:41:18,410 --> 00:41:15,360 hunter Army Airfield Fort Stewart the 881 00:41:21,020 --> 00:41:18,420 Marine Air Station at Beaufort Air 882 00:41:24,950 --> 00:41:21,030 National Guard base and so we've seen 883 00:41:29,570 --> 00:41:24,960 plenty of military planes and aircraft 884 00:41:33,860 --> 00:41:29,580 and but this was not anything like I've 885 00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:33,870 ever seen before either us in addition 886 00:41:39,140 --> 00:41:36,210 it was not in an area the sky that 887 00:41:41,030 --> 00:41:39,150 should have it was not typical for 888 00:41:42,650 --> 00:41:41,040 commercial or military aircraft it 889 00:41:47,990 --> 00:41:42,660 wasn't in one of the typical flight 890 00:41:50,270 --> 00:41:48,000 lanes and to this day I I have no idea 891 00:41:55,010 --> 00:41:50,280 and I've never seen anything that could 892 00:41:57,170 --> 00:41:55,020 possibly explain what we saw to my 893 00:42:00,710 --> 00:41:57,180 knowledge there's there's no flying 894 00:42:03,260 --> 00:42:00,720 craft but I'm aware of there is as large 895 00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:03,270 as this thing I mean if that solid pizza 896 00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:05,610 box shape was a solid structure this 897 00:42:11,860 --> 00:42:08,850 thing would have to have been three or 898 00:42:14,660 --> 00:42:11,870 four football fields big it was massive 899 00:42:17,210 --> 00:42:14,670 but as soon as those lights cut off it 900 00:42:23,300 --> 00:42:17,220 was as if it just disappeared 901 00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:23,310 and I mean I that just I I love I love 902 00:42:28,460 --> 00:42:25,890 mysteries I love solving mysteries 903 00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:28,470 and so that was such a mysterious 904 00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:30,930 occurrence that it's drove me crazy and 905 00:42:34,730 --> 00:42:33,450 it ended up igniting this passion and 906 00:42:36,589 --> 00:42:34,740 interest to determine what have we seen 907 00:42:40,190 --> 00:42:36,599 and like I said it thrust me down that 908 00:42:43,940 --> 00:42:40,200 rabbit hole of really I guess getting 909 00:42:46,819 --> 00:42:43,950 into ufology and trying to effort to 910 00:42:51,849 --> 00:42:46,829 explain what what was it that we saw 911 00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:51,859 that night and and so it it definitely 912 00:42:59,480 --> 00:42:56,490 captured my curiosity it fascinated me 913 00:43:01,730 --> 00:42:59,490 and to this day I would still love to 914 00:43:03,770 --> 00:43:01,740 know what it is that I saw the friend 915 00:43:06,500 --> 00:43:03,780 that I was with she it kind of scared 916 00:43:10,609 --> 00:43:06,510 her because it was just so outside of 917 00:43:14,329 --> 00:43:10,619 the norm of what he's supposed to happen 918 00:43:15,950 --> 00:43:14,339 and the thing that would hit ultimately 919 00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:15,960 end up shocking me the most is in my 920 00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:17,490 efforts to try to determine what was 921 00:43:23,150 --> 00:43:19,770 this that I saw I remember you know 922 00:43:25,309 --> 00:43:23,160 doing like every other you know normal 923 00:43:26,900 --> 00:43:25,319 modern person in society and hitting on 924 00:43:28,730 --> 00:43:26,910 google and type in all sorts of 925 00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:28,740 different search terms to try to figure 926 00:43:35,290 --> 00:43:33,210 out if I could determine you know 927 00:43:40,940 --> 00:43:35,300 anything that could account for this and 928 00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:40,950 I ended up on new fonts website and when 929 00:43:45,140 --> 00:43:43,410 I started looking through their sighting 930 00:43:48,980 --> 00:43:45,150 reports at the time they were publicly 931 00:43:53,050 --> 00:43:48,990 available I was shocked to find out that 932 00:43:58,430 --> 00:43:53,060 that very same night about 15 20 minutes 933 00:44:00,260 --> 00:43:58,440 before our sighting in a city just west 934 00:44:04,970 --> 00:44:00,270 of us which was the direction that we 935 00:44:07,710 --> 00:44:04,980 were observing this object somebody else 936 00:44:12,299 --> 00:44:07,720 had reported it to move on 937 00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:12,309 and that was shocking because there was 938 00:44:18,750 --> 00:44:15,490 no doubt in my mind that it was real but 939 00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:18,760 to have an independent eyewitness in a 940 00:44:22,859 --> 00:44:21,130 totally different area that I still to 941 00:44:26,549 --> 00:44:22,869 this day have no clue who those people 942 00:44:28,620 --> 00:44:26,559 are but to corroborate what we had seen 943 00:44:31,380 --> 00:44:28,630 they saw exactly they described exactly 944 00:44:32,490 --> 00:44:31,390 what we had seen well now this became 945 00:44:34,950 --> 00:44:32,500 very very real 946 00:44:37,710 --> 00:44:34,960 there's no no other remaining doubts 947 00:44:39,029 --> 00:44:37,720 that somehow we we could have 948 00:44:42,390 --> 00:44:39,039 hallucinate at this though I never 949 00:44:46,589 --> 00:44:42,400 really believed that to begin with and 950 00:44:49,829 --> 00:44:46,599 so then it became very real because I 951 00:44:53,490 --> 00:44:49,839 became a part of I had seen something 952 00:44:58,500 --> 00:44:53,500 with someone else that equally saw it 953 00:44:59,819 --> 00:44:58,510 that now it was real and I didn't know I 954 00:45:02,819 --> 00:44:59,829 ended up reporting the sighting and I 955 00:45:05,010 --> 00:45:02,829 think that was one of the one of the 956 00:45:07,020 --> 00:45:05,020 summering moments was when after the 957 00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:07,030 investigator you know several weeks they 958 00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:09,490 had looked into it and he spoke to me on 959 00:45:15,359 --> 00:45:11,410 the phone and I said well what what is 960 00:45:19,829 --> 00:45:15,369 it and he said it's a UFO we don't know 961 00:45:21,839 --> 00:45:19,839 yeah that was like I said I like solving 962 00:45:24,420 --> 00:45:21,849 mysteries and that didn't stick with me 963 00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:24,430 and still hasn't to this day and so the 964 00:45:28,349 --> 00:45:25,930 past eight years since then I've been 965 00:45:29,730 --> 00:45:28,359 very heavily involved in trying to 966 00:45:32,579 --> 00:45:29,740 determine not just what I saw but what 967 00:45:35,190 --> 00:45:32,589 are other people saying and so it 968 00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:35,200 ultimately all began that one December 969 00:45:41,549 --> 00:45:39,010 night and yeah I don't expect anybody to 970 00:45:42,839 --> 00:45:41,559 believe it just by my word but I most 971 00:45:46,549 --> 00:45:42,849 definitely know what I saw 972 00:45:49,380 --> 00:45:46,559 and it wasn't flairs it wasn't 973 00:45:52,620 --> 00:45:49,390 pareidolia it wasn't anything like that 974 00:46:00,060 --> 00:45:52,630 it was something what that something was 975 00:46:00,070 --> 00:46:08,170 [Music] 976 00:46:12,410 --> 00:46:10,640 somewhere in the skies is produced by 977 00:46:14,330 --> 00:46:12,420 Third Kind productions in association 978 00:46:16,130 --> 00:46:14,340 with the entertainment one podcast